The NBC News/Politico Republican debate from the Reagan Library just concluded on MSNBC. Eight GOP hopefuls took to the stage. Now we want to know, who do YOU think won the debate tonight? Vote in our poll below, and share your opinion in the comments as well.
POLL: Who Do You Think Won Tonight’s NBC News-Politico Republican Debate?
September 7, 2011 By 69 Comments
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Don’t they get it we know who always wins but the fixers from the war mongers don’t want him. They are afraid of him
Ron Paul Hands down.
LMFAO!!!!! You’ve GOT to be joking, right??? LOLOL!!!! WAIT…I know…you were watching the Comedy Channel and they must have been running a satirical show on the debate, right?? LOLOL!!!! “Hands down!!!!” I love it!!! ROFL!!!!
The fact is that NONE of these turkeys looked or sounded “Presidential” tonight…NONE of them! And if these liars are the BEST America has to offer, it may be time to abandon ship!!! “Ron Paul Hands down.” Stunning!! Hilarious!! The funniest shit I’ve heard all week!!!
OK…I’m ready boys…tear me apart!!! ROFL!!!
To use the above quote from “Jerry”:
Foreign Policy RON PAUL WINS
Monetary Policy RON PAUL WINS
Role of Govt RON PAUL WINS
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
SAME OLD WASHINGTON BS IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN
GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH! THAT’S THE U. S. A. WAY!
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!
RON PAUL 2012
THANK YOU FOR THE COMIC RELIEF!!! You obviously don’t even know what Paul stands for, do you, RebelforRonPaul? I LOVE THE NAME, TOO…Rebel…LOLOLOL….Great!!! Have you even read his Congressional Record, or his so-called Position Papers??? ROFL…
“GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH! THAT’S THE U. S. A. WAY!” LMFAO!!! That’s precious…it’s a gem!!! LOLOL! I can’t stop…..PAUL WINS!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL….HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Keep it comin’, keep it comin’….LOLOL!!!!!
What’s wrong with Paul’s Congressional record? It’s consistent, because he’s principled, and in line with the Constitution.
The real gem is you saying “The fact is that NONE of these turkeys looked or sounded “Presidential” tonight…NONE of them!” Really? You’re the authority on what “Presidential” looks and sounds like? It’s your opinion that none of them did, I, and many others, disagree. Nothing wrong with that opinion, but it’s certainly not a fact.
It’s my opinion that Paul won the debate last night. It’s also my opinion that he won this particular debate that happened a couple of weeks ago and one that I really don’t know why people are commenting on like it was the FOX debate last night.
@Gary: Yes…I agree with you on 2 counts…his record is consistent! Also, I agree that opinions are not necessarily fact! What’s the old saying? “Opinions are like assholes….everyone has ‘em!” LOL
I still can’t stop laughing over those who think that Paul won the debate last night (or any debate!). Just because people applaud your belief that people be allowed to die, doesn’t make you a debate winner! It does, however, show how similar you are to those in the Third Reich who put the disabled and mentally ill to death (not to mention 7 million others they didn’t like, either). Part of what makes a country great is not it’s number of bombs or the size of it’s army; it’s how well it takes care of its elderly, its disabled and its children (yes, even poor children). RP (I can’t believe I share his initials! lol) hasn’t shown his compassion (if he has any), nor has he given me (or many others) any vision of what a post-Paul country will look like! I don’t mean in general, bullshit terms, but in reality…what will it mean to me, to my family, my neighbors and my nation? You may say that no other candidate has shown that either…true, but then no other candidate is calling for such a revolutionary change in government structure that Paul endorses. Before I vote for revolution, I want to know what’s on the other side, in practical terms! I don’t want to hear, “More freedom, less government intrusion, yada, yada, yada!”
Ron Paul has a belief that people should be allowed to die? What people? Ron Paul is the biggest pro-life candidate running.
C’mon, Gary, you know as well as I that sometimes, NOT saying something speaks louder than actually saying it! When the hypothetical (“Should he be allowed to die?”) was put to Paul about the fellow who did not have health insurance, then contracted a deadly disease, he clearly gave his position away when he started answering with, “It was his choice not to buy insurance…!” THEN, the audience started to applaud, clearly implying that they thought he should be allowed to die because of his decision!!! Paul seemed a little taken back by the applause, realizing the implication of what he had said, and decided to shut up…smart man! IF he is so pro-life, AND A PHYSICIAN who has taken the oath, “FIRST, DO NO HARM!” as well as the rest of the “Hypocritic Oath”, how could he allow a fellow human (AND CITIZEN) to die. I’ll tell you how…because this man has no compassion, only ideology and when ideology gets in the way of compassion and caring for your fellow human beings, you become an authoritarian utilitarianist. If this is what neo-classical liberalism is, then I want no part of it!!
No compassion? Seriously? You do know that Paul saw patients who couldn’t afford to pay (or were on the government dole) for free right?
I’d say you have a seriously flawed understanding of Paul’s positions. Paul isn’t for letting anyone die. His position is that government has driven up the price of health care with mandates and regulations, and being in bed with the insurance companies and the Medical Industrial Complex.
You have misinterpreted Paul’s beginning statement, “it was his choice not to buy health insurance,” and then imply that that means Paul thinks he should be allowed to die. That’s not at all the case.
Health insurance, like health care, is a GOOD. With the system how it is today, again thanks to big government getting in bed with big business (anti-free market), choosing not to purchase health insurance will result in a huge bill should you need health care. It’s not the proper role of government to begin stealing from tax-payers to pay for someone else’s healthcare (especially when it’s high because of government).
As Paul continued…
“I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa hospital in San Antonia, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. And we’ve given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea — that’s the reason the cost is so high. The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy.”
Paul isn’t in favor of the system that creates this problem to begin with. And it’s laughable to say the most pro-life (in every sense) candidate running has no compassion and would let someone die because they couldn’t pay.
If the wife a guy you did not know was dying and had no insurance, and let’s just say a $500,000 hospital bill, would you be okay with that guy sticking a gun in your face and demanding YOUR money to help pay for her care? Of course not. So why is it acceptable when government does it to other people with no real authority to do so?
I find it funny, and maybe a little sad, that people continuously look towards the government to take care of them even if it means government has to expand, create new unconstitutional (and thus illegal) laws, and drive prices up for everyone. The government is responsible for the broken system. It can’t be fixed by making it work, and no this is not a utopia where the federal government can spend as much as it wants without there being consequences. The country is broke, the government can’t afford to pay for everyone’s health care, and since it is a good and not a right, doctor’s can’t be expected to work for free with the added pressure of knowing someone is just dying to sue them.
It’s the government and the big health insurance companies that have no compassion. Not the small government free-market people and the doctor’s.
Gary…you used a whole lot of words, but never really answered the question I posed (or, even the one you posed): so, what happens to the guy’s wife with no insurance?? Is Paul saying that the “churches” will take care of her? As far as the $500,000 bill…no, I wouldn’t be able to pay it…however, if we didn’t have 2 wars to pay for, and if the rich and wealthy put up their fair share, and waste in all programs was removed…along with corporate and farm subsidies…we could all have the medical coverage of the rich. Why is it that we…dare I say, the “middle class”, continue to vote against our own interests? Paul doesn’t stand for compassion or empathy…he supports reduced government, to the point that there will not be any involvement in the “general welfare” of individuals. If you are poor, disabled, unemployed, elderly, sick, minority, woman, gay, etc…you’re fucked if Ron Paul is elected! I haven’t heard any concrete facts about how Paul will be making lives better if he’s elected. All I hear is ideology and philosophical nonsense. I want to know how a Paul Presidency is going to make lives better for those folks I mentioned…specifics, not generalities!
If you actually listen to what Paul says, and he says it every chance he gets (which isn’t many), he doesn’t want to throw a single person out on the street. He wants to end all the wars, and bring all of our troops home, and use the money we save there to spend on people here at home who are dependent on the government dole. I agree with you there; I’m all for ending all the wars, and closing all our overseas bases.
If the rich and wealthy put up there fair share of what? It’s not their responsibility to pay for your health care or my health care. Nor would I want them to pay for mine if they were going to be forced into it, because that’s stealing. It’s wrong if you and I do it, and it’s wrong when the government does it. Most American’s, poor and rich, are fairly generous people. We could all certainly give more if the government didn’t take so much to absolutely waste. And I’m all for removing waste and ending all subsidies, absolutely.
If government wasn’t involved in health care at all, and didn’t have so many rules and regulations that are designed only to help the insurance companies and the drug companies (who turn around and line the pockets of the politicians with money), then medical care wouldn’t be so high to begin with. The government is the problem.
Not having health insurance for many, especially younger adults, is absolutely a choice. If it’s such a necessity, then there are affordable options out there. It may not be affordable when the choice is between paying for health insurance or having decent Internet and a fancy smartphone contract. I’m in college now, all I see all day long is young people playing on laptops or with their heads down playing with a phone. These are luxury items people would rather not do away with to be able to afford the supposed necessity of health insurance.
Again, Paul doesn’t want to throw anyone out on the street or allow anyone to die.
You’re talking about something happening under Paul that 1.) would not happen, and 2.) could not happen even if Paul wanted it to!
And there is no such thing as the “general welfare” of individuals, at least not as far as the federal government is concerned.
How will the poor, disabled, elderly, sick, minority, gay, women, and unemployed be better off when the country enters a severe depression, or worse a dollar collapse? Because that’s what’s going to happen (it’s what ALWAYS happens)? Whose going to take care of these people when they’re pushing a wheelbarrow full of million dollar bills around trying to buy a loaf of bread? Health insurance isn’t going to matter one bit when your bank account is worthless and you’re swimming in a hyperinflation mess that’ll make Weimar Republic look like Disney World.
This is a gaming site, and I just don’t have the time to explain in any sort of detail, that may make you think about things differently, why a free market is much better for everyone than socialism is.
But feel free to read as much stuff from here as you possibly can: http://mises.org/
Just say it… Delmarva Progressive….. You want your next door neighbor to pay your bills for you! RonPaul would bring most troops home to spend their money in this country and to defend our borders… he would eliminate the magnets that attract the illegals (instant social benefits, education, housing, health care) . He supports school choice… helping the poorer citizens gain the same advantage as others now enjoy. Noone in this country is turned away from any medical need now… there are safeguards . Hospitals and doctors write off massive amounts. medicaid is in place.
Charity is not the governments job… national defense is… and I mean OUR nation’s defense, not the rest of the world.
Ron Paul would end all corporate subsidies and foreign aid.
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I love Ron Paul…he has great ideas but has trouble expressing them so that average people will understand what he is saying. “Fiat money” , Keysian economics”— most voters have no clue what he is talking about. He needs to simplify his message… that’s why short “plain folk” sound bites grab the peoples attention….wrong or right, it’s a fact. And that gets votes!
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