The NBC News/Politico Republican debate from the Reagan Library just concluded on MSNBC. Eight GOP hopefuls took to the stage. Now we want to know, who do YOU think won the debate tonight? Vote in our poll below, and share your opinion in the comments as well.
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When Ron Paul was allowed to speak, he was quick and correct.
Michele Bachmanns asking to get Reagan on board the vote taken for 10 dollars cut vs 1 dollar in taxing made me think she wanted to conduct a seance. Perry mentioning Keynesian economics was hysterical as I believe he doesn’t even know what they are. Shameful coverage all in all. Watching the candidates mimic things said by Ron Paul, and not having them called on their behavior is shameful debate moderator practice.
Ron Paul will never be allowed to be the frontrunner by the media that we have. In my experience, Republicans wave the military flag but then leave returning veterans out in the cold when they return and move on to something else. Democrats claim that they are for the people and anti-war, but draft the checks and kill with a smile. I hope everyone goes for a third party in 2012 and, while not winning, definitely achieve making a statement that the two parties do not represent our interests as an essentially libertarian country with a strong humanitarian (some from religion) background.
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Hands down one of the worse debates I have ever seen. Know I know why I dont watch msnbc.
Agreed. Horrible debate. Ron Paul answered his few questions well, and I enjoyed Newt’s attitude, but the debate was a complete joke.
I agree , absolute lame attempt of a socalled debate focus on 7 schmubs all night long
ignore him and maybe he’ll go away…..Ron Paul what a sad ass bunch of talking
arrogant farticulaters msnbc has on staff…………….. you know the little bit that Ron’s able to say
just scares the phlegm outta them boys 2012 Ron Paul @)!@
No close second, Ron Paul won!
I’m still mind-boggled at how Paul doesn’t have better numbers. Perry a jackass who helped run Al Gore’s first attempt at office when Paul was pushing Reagan. Like was said before, if Perry understands Keynesian Economics, I’m a duck. Romney is such a RINO, used car salesman is the best term I can use to describe him. He butchered Mass. How in the hell can he tackle the nations problems? Bachman is a walking gaffe machine just ready to be fired up. Gingrich has good ideas, however, he has lost the trust of anyone who knows anything about his past, and he is doing nothing but blowing smoke. Cain is a nice guy, met him years ago, he has some good ideas, but no experience, and as we’ve seen with Obama, no experience makes you look like an ass in the White House.
The difference between Obama and Cain is this, Cain took over a Godfather’s Pizza, which was on the brink of failing and turned it around. He spent ten years at that company. He has served on the Board of Directors for many different organizations. Chairman, CEO, and President of the National Restaurant Association. Obama has ran what company or served on what boards etc….Cain has so much more experience than Obama ever has or will. Cain is a problem solver. He has been the only one who can give specific answers to his questions. Where the others will dance around giving a direct answers to questions they don’t want to answer or give rhetoric answers.
My support is for the person who answers directly, has a track record of success, and has a specific solid plan.
By “took over” I’m assuming you meant “bought out”. Of course he’s going to do his best to turn a pizza chain around, he’s invested in it. I like Cain, I like his “ideas” and ability to tell us what the problem is. But lack of experience is a vote killer for me. He’s so much of an outsider he doesn’t know how things work. It would be like me wanting to be CEO of Starbucks having never taken a sip of coffee. Give him a cabinet position and let him shine, then once he has more experience he might stand more of a chance. Experience (or lack thereof) and the fact that he doesn’t feel the Federal Reserve needs to be audited are the two main reasons I can’t vote for him.
Has Cain ever answered anything about his foreign policy plans…besides going to get “experts” together to tell him what to do?
The two ladies are just entertainment, hype, and distraction. Ron Paul will never be allowed to be frontrunner. Mitt Romney has the polished look people want now and will get in next year. People would still rather be seduced than have a complete overhaul of the system.
Ron Paul IS the frontrunner! They cannot stop him. The only ones that can stop him are the people unwilling to take a stand and fight for our Constitutional right to choose our President instead of allowing the corporate controlled media to choose for you. I’m standing up and if they manage to keep Ron Paul off of the ballot I will write him in.
Because Paul is out of his mind!! Plain & simple! He has lots of suggestions, but he fails to explain what the results will be. Seems to me like he’s learned to make a statement, then shut up…at least, better than in the past. His brand of politics allows discrimination, racism, exploitation and rampant disorder…oh, yeah, just all on a local level!! Sorry…I’ve read his platform…even supported him for a while, but then, quickly realized what a Paul world would look like…UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGLY!
A “Ron Paul world” would look like much of early American history: when liberty was fresh and still in tact. Ron Paul bases his decisions solely on the Constitution, so it’s extremely rare that he flip flops on an issue. Very funny to hear people say that’s a terrible thing, everyone is so used to flip floppers and liars running.
The only answers that were good either came from Ron Paul directly, or were said by Ron before, and rehashed by another candidate.
Foreign Policy RON PAUL WINS
Monetary Policy RON PAUL WINS
Role of Govt RON PAUL WINS
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
SAME OLD WASHINGTON BS IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN
GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH! THAT’S THE U. S. A. WAY!
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!
RON PAUL 2012
dog and pony show…
Ron Paul 89.11% and Donald Trump and the media idiots think Ron Paul is not electable what a joke!
This was a joke of a debate…a farce. Nothing more than a forum for Perry and Romney to subject us to their non-sensical ramblings, and I shall never watch MSNBC again.
If not for the debate, I wouldn’t have been watching MSNBC anyway. And I won’t be watching them again either. Waste of almost two hours to hear Paul speak maybe five minutes.
The Rick Perry Show…with guest stars Mitt and Michelle. The camera angles made it near impossible to see all of the debaters at one time. Williams and friends should get an Emmy for this well directed farce! This was not a real debate.
I would have like to have heard more from All the canidates instead of the Perry Romney debate. The more Ron Paul is ignored the more his message seems to get out.Good ideas founded in our constitution. What better can we ask.
You dont have to think long about what to say when you’re telling the truth. That’s why Ron Paul is quick and accurate with his answers. He’s telling the truth. That’s refreshing. Also it was fun to watch Romney and Perry talk about how bad each other is. Nobody can tear down Mr. Paul, though. The man is unimpeachable. Ron Paul 2012!!!
The media and the ruling elite is building a communistm in US by destroying capitalism / private business and creating gov. jobs by taxes ,regulations and empowering,unions.Only RON PAUL can change this.RON PAUL 2012
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I truly believe that paul, is the best for america, but for some reason the corporate media is afraid of him, I think the media and the corporate america have there stugie picked, perry,,,, lets face it we are controlled by the same greed.. I really wonder if our votes are even truly counted…watch what hapends, paul wins poles, perry gets gop..
we are all being snooped..I pray I am wrong,, but my heart knows I am not,,,,
Ron Paul is continually shown at the top of the polls but the media i.e. NBC et al continue to shun him. This is an absolute disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourselves. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the mainstream media is defining who they think should be at the top eventhough it’s an outright lie. How can you explain yourselves. Who is telling you to present the news in such a deceptive way? I will never again believe one iota of your coverage. Dispicable!!!!!!!!
The fact that MSNBC nor NBC are willing to share the fact that Ron Paul won the debate hands down shows their complete lack of concern of sharing the truth of the news. It seems they are scared of the fact that Ron Paul may actually pull off an upset and win the nomination little alone win the presidency. Why are all the networks so scared of Ron Paul?
Let’s be honest the higher ups are running from him like the plague, now I can see why this nation is in such a state. To put it simply the powers that be just can’t handle the thought of a truly free AMERICA.
Are you guys smoking weed?? I mean when you wrote your comments!! LOL Where are you looking at that shows Paul “at the top of the polls?” Today’s poll shows him at 8.3%, over 20 points lower than Perry. Face the facts…Paul is a loon who has no plans other than to do away with the Federal government. He blew it with his comment, “Americans know what a safe car is.” Most Americans can barely put air in their tires, let alone know what a makes a car safe. In a Paul world, there would be no seat belts, no airbags, no collapsible steering columns, no anti-lock brakes…on and on and on! The EPA was created because the nation’s air and water were being poisoned by big and small businesses! OSHA was created because workers were being maimed and dying on the job…miners, chemical factory workers, etc. He wants the airline industry to keep track of their own planes! HAHAHA! Without the FAA, planes would be crashing into the streets!
C’mon, guys, Ron Paul has some good ideas…legalize marijuana…um…ahhh…hmmmmm…ok, legalize marijuana!!!
Wow. Do you honestly think planes would be crashing into the streets if not for the FAA?
Did government invent the seat belt, or the airbag, or anything else you mentioned? No, of course it didn’t. Which means these things would still exist without government, and in fact did exist without government.
Am I to believe that politicians (at least those with a D by their name) are do-good saints that just have the best interest of everyone at heart, while business people are just evil scum looking to make life unsafe and miserable for everyone else?
Government fails at everything but wasting money (they’re the best at that). Anything government does can be provided better and cheaper in a private sector operating in a true free market.
Ron Paul is quite electable, thank you very much. He’s in a dead heat with Obama according to Rasmussen polls; in August, in July, and even as far back as April 2010! BTW, while straw polls are not scientific, Rasmussen polls are … with +/- 3% at a confidence level of 95%. (Copy the link locations and pasting them into your browser.)
Obama’s 39% to Paul’s 38% in August 2011 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_39_paul_38)
Obama’s 41% to Paul’s 37% in July 2011 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_41_ron_paul_37)
Obama’s 42% to Paul’s 41% in April 2010 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)
These are such misleading “polls” as to be laughable!! Rasmussen could put Mickey Mouse against Obama right now and probably get better numbers than Paul. First…there is always, always, ALWAYS, going to be a base Republican vs a base Democratic vote, meaning that no matter who the candidates are, about 40% of the vote will go for each…approximately. That means that the race comes down to the swing or independent voter…about 20%. When you look at the demographic of these voters, you’ll find that they are generally, well-educated and concerned about social issues as well as fiscal.
IF Paul was able to pull off a Republican nomination…never under the latest polls of Republican candidates only…then these independent voters would start to analyze his positions. They don’t need to do that now because independents generally don’t make their decisions until after the primaries are over and the candidates are chosen. Once these independents start to seriously look at what he (Paul) proposes, he’ll be LUCKY to keep the usual minimum of 40% of the general election vote….as far as the electoral college goes: he might wind up with 40-50 electoral votes…MAYBE!
You need to take off your rose-colored glasses, put away the fake polls and put your efforts into a candidate that can be elected in a general election…meaning, one that isn’t part of the loonie-squad! ;)
Without the FAA? Absolutely…as a private pilot with 30 years of experience, I can guarantee it! It’s tough enough keeping track of 1000s of flights under one agency; can you imagine the results if we allowed each state to make their own rules/guidelines for air traffic?
Government REQUIRED the installation of these and other safety requirements. I know your next statement will be: THAT’S why cars are so much more expensive…well, perhaps, but that’s still less expensive than an accident that puts you in braces or a body bag! Government requirements are also why we have cars getting 30-40mpg…the automakers fought that (and continue fighting it).
A “D” or an “R” or an “I” or an “L” have nothing to do with it. As a former entrepreneur, I can tell you first hand, that bottom line is the 1st priority of all good businesspeople. Without it, you have no future. IF businesses aren’t required to provide safe working environments, they will not do the extra things that are needed to save injuries and/or lives…period. If you think that all businesses will act with the best intentions, then who’s being naive?
Government protects the minority (whoever that is) from the majority who wish them ill or are indifferent about them. Again, being disabled, I know what businesses are capable of…without anti-discrimination protections, the disabled, blacks, women and other minorities would still be discriminated against…even WITH these laws, businesses get away with it. Women in the same jobs as men, get paid less…that’s the kind of “FREEDOM” a Paul-led country will provide.
“Free markets”…you want to run your business without government intrusion, right? So, when Paul is elected and the federal government is dismantled, you think you’ll be free? HAHA! Wait til you see what the individual States will do to screw up that idea!!
Why do you keep saying he’ll dismantle the federal government? He’ll do no such thing. All he wants is to eventually transition back to a Constitutionally limited federal government that doesn’t have its hands in everything. I would think that’s something you would support considering your avatar is a picture of the Constitution.
So we don’t do it Paul’s way, we’ll continue the status quo. Enjoy having your currency inflated away to nothing and mass suffering under the coming economic collapse. Who knows, maybe the police state that props up to maintain control during the chaos will be a paradise. See, I can do the fear-mongering too. ALL empires end for the exact same reasons and the US will be no different if it continues to go down its current path.
I don’t know what makes you think the government can continue to afford to stick its nose in everywhere, or even where it gets the authority to do so.
Gary…where did I ever say I thought “the government can continue to stick its nose in everywhere?” The government needs to stay out of people’s bedrooms and if a hamster wants to marry a pig…let them! LOL I certainly agree with cutting back on the Federal government’s reach into our lives. BUT, how can you say that Paul doesn’t want to dismantle the Federal government…do away with the Dept of Education (this way, we can let the creationists teach fairytales as fact), the FAA (well, you already know how I feel about that), the EPA (yup, what do we need clean water for? We got Pepsi!), the FDA (ok…I’m for clockin’ back on the FDA!)…
If you leave everything to the States, you will have mass migrations across the country. We’ll have 50 different requirements for commerce…I am boggled by the gullibility of people who think that the individual States will guard our freedom…they’re just smaller governments…soon, counties and cities will want complete control from State interference…at what point does the anarchy start? Should I be piling up on ammo and survivalist gear?
We’ve been through worse times and come through it, not by hiding in our own states, but by becoming a national, cohesive force, committed to overcoming whatever obstacles are in our way. Evidence? The 1810s, 1840s, 1860s, 1920s, 1940s, 1960s, the market crashes of the ’80s and ’90s…!
I’m not fear-mongering, my friend…I didn’t say the US is heading towards a total collapse…you did!
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Don’t they get it we know who always wins but the fixers from the war mongers don’t want him. They are afraid of him
Ron Paul Hands down.
LMFAO!!!!! You’ve GOT to be joking, right??? LOLOL!!!! WAIT…I know…you were watching the Comedy Channel and they must have been running a satirical show on the debate, right?? LOLOL!!!! “Hands down!!!!” I love it!!! ROFL!!!!
The fact is that NONE of these turkeys looked or sounded “Presidential” tonight…NONE of them! And if these liars are the BEST America has to offer, it may be time to abandon ship!!! “Ron Paul Hands down.” Stunning!! Hilarious!! The funniest shit I’ve heard all week!!!
OK…I’m ready boys…tear me apart!!! ROFL!!!
To use the above quote from “Jerry”:
Foreign Policy RON PAUL WINS
Monetary Policy RON PAUL WINS
Role of Govt RON PAUL WINS
NOTHING ELSE MATTERS
SAME OLD WASHINGTON BS IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN
GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH! THAT’S THE U. S. A. WAY!
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!
RON PAUL 2012
THANK YOU FOR THE COMIC RELIEF!!! You obviously don’t even know what Paul stands for, do you, RebelforRonPaul? I LOVE THE NAME, TOO…Rebel…LOLOLOL….Great!!! Have you even read his Congressional Record, or his so-called Position Papers??? ROFL…
“GIVE US LIBERTY OR GIVE US DEATH! THAT’S THE U. S. A. WAY!” LMFAO!!! That’s precious…it’s a gem!!! LOLOL! I can’t stop…..PAUL WINS!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL….HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Keep it comin’, keep it comin’….LOLOL!!!!!
What’s wrong with Paul’s Congressional record? It’s consistent, because he’s principled, and in line with the Constitution.
The real gem is you saying “The fact is that NONE of these turkeys looked or sounded “Presidential” tonight…NONE of them!” Really? You’re the authority on what “Presidential” looks and sounds like? It’s your opinion that none of them did, I, and many others, disagree. Nothing wrong with that opinion, but it’s certainly not a fact.
It’s my opinion that Paul won the debate last night. It’s also my opinion that he won this particular debate that happened a couple of weeks ago and one that I really don’t know why people are commenting on like it was the FOX debate last night.
@Gary: Yes…I agree with you on 2 counts…his record is consistent! Also, I agree that opinions are not necessarily fact! What’s the old saying? “Opinions are like assholes….everyone has ‘em!” LOL
I still can’t stop laughing over those who think that Paul won the debate last night (or any debate!). Just because people applaud your belief that people be allowed to die, doesn’t make you a debate winner! It does, however, show how similar you are to those in the Third Reich who put the disabled and mentally ill to death (not to mention 7 million others they didn’t like, either). Part of what makes a country great is not it’s number of bombs or the size of it’s army; it’s how well it takes care of its elderly, its disabled and its children (yes, even poor children). RP (I can’t believe I share his initials! lol) hasn’t shown his compassion (if he has any), nor has he given me (or many others) any vision of what a post-Paul country will look like! I don’t mean in general, bullshit terms, but in reality…what will it mean to me, to my family, my neighbors and my nation? You may say that no other candidate has shown that either…true, but then no other candidate is calling for such a revolutionary change in government structure that Paul endorses. Before I vote for revolution, I want to know what’s on the other side, in practical terms! I don’t want to hear, “More freedom, less government intrusion, yada, yada, yada!”
Ron Paul has a belief that people should be allowed to die? What people? Ron Paul is the biggest pro-life candidate running.
C’mon, Gary, you know as well as I that sometimes, NOT saying something speaks louder than actually saying it! When the hypothetical (“Should he be allowed to die?”) was put to Paul about the fellow who did not have health insurance, then contracted a deadly disease, he clearly gave his position away when he started answering with, “It was his choice not to buy insurance…!” THEN, the audience started to applaud, clearly implying that they thought he should be allowed to die because of his decision!!! Paul seemed a little taken back by the applause, realizing the implication of what he had said, and decided to shut up…smart man! IF he is so pro-life, AND A PHYSICIAN who has taken the oath, “FIRST, DO NO HARM!” as well as the rest of the “Hypocritic Oath”, how could he allow a fellow human (AND CITIZEN) to die. I’ll tell you how…because this man has no compassion, only ideology and when ideology gets in the way of compassion and caring for your fellow human beings, you become an authoritarian utilitarianist. If this is what neo-classical liberalism is, then I want no part of it!!
No compassion? Seriously? You do know that Paul saw patients who couldn’t afford to pay (or were on the government dole) for free right?
I’d say you have a seriously flawed understanding of Paul’s positions. Paul isn’t for letting anyone die. His position is that government has driven up the price of health care with mandates and regulations, and being in bed with the insurance companies and the Medical Industrial Complex.
You have misinterpreted Paul’s beginning statement, “it was his choice not to buy health insurance,” and then imply that that means Paul thinks he should be allowed to die. That’s not at all the case.
Health insurance, like health care, is a GOOD. With the system how it is today, again thanks to big government getting in bed with big business (anti-free market), choosing not to purchase health insurance will result in a huge bill should you need health care. It’s not the proper role of government to begin stealing from tax-payers to pay for someone else’s healthcare (especially when it’s high because of government).
As Paul continued…
“I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa hospital in San Antonia, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. And we’ve given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea — that’s the reason the cost is so high. The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy.”
Paul isn’t in favor of the system that creates this problem to begin with. And it’s laughable to say the most pro-life (in every sense) candidate running has no compassion and would let someone die because they couldn’t pay.
If the wife a guy you did not know was dying and had no insurance, and let’s just say a $500,000 hospital bill, would you be okay with that guy sticking a gun in your face and demanding YOUR money to help pay for her care? Of course not. So why is it acceptable when government does it to other people with no real authority to do so?
I find it funny, and maybe a little sad, that people continuously look towards the government to take care of them even if it means government has to expand, create new unconstitutional (and thus illegal) laws, and drive prices up for everyone. The government is responsible for the broken system. It can’t be fixed by making it work, and no this is not a utopia where the federal government can spend as much as it wants without there being consequences. The country is broke, the government can’t afford to pay for everyone’s health care, and since it is a good and not a right, doctor’s can’t be expected to work for free with the added pressure of knowing someone is just dying to sue them.
It’s the government and the big health insurance companies that have no compassion. Not the small government free-market people and the doctor’s.
Gary…you used a whole lot of words, but never really answered the question I posed (or, even the one you posed): so, what happens to the guy’s wife with no insurance?? Is Paul saying that the “churches” will take care of her? As far as the $500,000 bill…no, I wouldn’t be able to pay it…however, if we didn’t have 2 wars to pay for, and if the rich and wealthy put up their fair share, and waste in all programs was removed…along with corporate and farm subsidies…we could all have the medical coverage of the rich. Why is it that we…dare I say, the “middle class”, continue to vote against our own interests? Paul doesn’t stand for compassion or empathy…he supports reduced government, to the point that there will not be any involvement in the “general welfare” of individuals. If you are poor, disabled, unemployed, elderly, sick, minority, woman, gay, etc…you’re fucked if Ron Paul is elected! I haven’t heard any concrete facts about how Paul will be making lives better if he’s elected. All I hear is ideology and philosophical nonsense. I want to know how a Paul Presidency is going to make lives better for those folks I mentioned…specifics, not generalities!
If you actually listen to what Paul says, and he says it every chance he gets (which isn’t many), he doesn’t want to throw a single person out on the street. He wants to end all the wars, and bring all of our troops home, and use the money we save there to spend on people here at home who are dependent on the government dole. I agree with you there; I’m all for ending all the wars, and closing all our overseas bases.
If the rich and wealthy put up there fair share of what? It’s not their responsibility to pay for your health care or my health care. Nor would I want them to pay for mine if they were going to be forced into it, because that’s stealing. It’s wrong if you and I do it, and it’s wrong when the government does it. Most American’s, poor and rich, are fairly generous people. We could all certainly give more if the government didn’t take so much to absolutely waste. And I’m all for removing waste and ending all subsidies, absolutely.
If government wasn’t involved in health care at all, and didn’t have so many rules and regulations that are designed only to help the insurance companies and the drug companies (who turn around and line the pockets of the politicians with money), then medical care wouldn’t be so high to begin with. The government is the problem.
Not having health insurance for many, especially younger adults, is absolutely a choice. If it’s such a necessity, then there are affordable options out there. It may not be affordable when the choice is between paying for health insurance or having decent Internet and a fancy smartphone contract. I’m in college now, all I see all day long is young people playing on laptops or with their heads down playing with a phone. These are luxury items people would rather not do away with to be able to afford the supposed necessity of health insurance.
Again, Paul doesn’t want to throw anyone out on the street or allow anyone to die.
You’re talking about something happening under Paul that 1.) would not happen, and 2.) could not happen even if Paul wanted it to!
And there is no such thing as the “general welfare” of individuals, at least not as far as the federal government is concerned.
How will the poor, disabled, elderly, sick, minority, gay, women, and unemployed be better off when the country enters a severe depression, or worse a dollar collapse? Because that’s what’s going to happen (it’s what ALWAYS happens)? Whose going to take care of these people when they’re pushing a wheelbarrow full of million dollar bills around trying to buy a loaf of bread? Health insurance isn’t going to matter one bit when your bank account is worthless and you’re swimming in a hyperinflation mess that’ll make Weimar Republic look like Disney World.
This is a gaming site, and I just don’t have the time to explain in any sort of detail, that may make you think about things differently, why a free market is much better for everyone than socialism is.
But feel free to read as much stuff from here as you possibly can: http://mises.org/
Just say it… Delmarva Progressive….. You want your next door neighbor to pay your bills for you! RonPaul would bring most troops home to spend their money in this country and to defend our borders… he would eliminate the magnets that attract the illegals (instant social benefits, education, housing, health care) . He supports school choice… helping the poorer citizens gain the same advantage as others now enjoy. Noone in this country is turned away from any medical need now… there are safeguards . Hospitals and doctors write off massive amounts. medicaid is in place.
Charity is not the governments job… national defense is… and I mean OUR nation’s defense, not the rest of the world.
Ron Paul would end all corporate subsidies and foreign aid.
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I love Ron Paul…he has great ideas but has trouble expressing them so that average people will understand what he is saying. “Fiat money” , Keysian economics”— most voters have no clue what he is talking about. He needs to simplify his message… that’s why short “plain folk” sound bites grab the peoples attention….wrong or right, it’s a fact. And that gets votes!
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